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08 Jan 2024 19:58:02
Norwich or Bristol Rovers in the Cup then.
At Anfield.
23 Dec 2023 14:11:26
How did we manage to not beat United? They're getting spanked by West Ham.
14 Jan 2023 17:02:18
Well gentlemen, I thought that went rather well, didn't you?
I'm off for some chips.
22 May 2022 00:15:31
Good to see the Man Utd's Legends team performing about as well as their current side.
28 Nov 2020 13:57:01
Oh good, Salah isn't happy about being subbed. Now we get to spend the next two weeks making a mountain out of a molehill.
Yay.
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21 Oct 2023 19:31:21
Not Liverpool related, but considering the absolute dirt masquerading as goalkeepers at Man U, Arsenal and Chelsea, why is Jose Sa still at Wolves?
Not good enough with his feet for all those forward thinking managers?
30 Sep 2023 20:34:25
Jones red card: I could understand a ref giving this. Jones tried to play the ball and his foot bounced into the guy. There's a case that we're trying to turn football into a non contact sport by giving it, and equally a case that it's reckless for him to go in with his foot up at that speed, even if he wasn't trying to play the man. The problem is the ref didn't give it. He didn't see it as severely dangerous or reckless play and gave a yellow. But then Darren England's come along and said "wait, no. That's a clear an obvious error you've made. You need to review it. " But it's not a clear and obvious error though is it? It's a debatable, borderline case. So we're back into is VAR just supposed to correct clear and obvious errors or is it there to correct every decision around goals and reds? If they'd do one or the other consistently, you'd have a chance.
Diaz offside: Absolute joke and one of the worst decisions I've seen in a long time. I cannot wait to hear the PGMOL explanation for this, because it'll be priceless.
Jota: His first yellow wasn't a yellow because he made no contact and Udogie dived, but he's still an absolute melt for diving into a tackle like that immediately after being booked. Whether the booking was fair or not. It's exactly the kind of braindead play he's liable to come up with outside of the opposition penalty area.
30 Sep 2023 18:39:32
So I assumed Diaz was marginally off and the perspective just made him look on. But having seen it again and given the angle it was taken from, I don't see how perspective could've made him appear off.
I think he's on, and for whatever reason, presumably gross incompetence, VAR didn't look at it correctly.
I sense another PGMOL apology coming up.
21 Sep 2023 22:07:58
Thought Elliot was class tonight.
27 Jun 2023 10:28:35
I think football Tw@tter is irretrievable.
Story circulating that Klopp is unlikely to extend his stay at the club beyond the end of his current contract in 2026 and loads of Liverpool fans are crying about it. Terrible. FSG out. etc. etc.
If Klopp sees out his contract he'd become the longest serving Liverpool manager since Shankly (as it is, he's the longest since Paisley) .
That's not exactly terrible is it?
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25 May 2015 23:50:15
1) There is a convincing reason to sack him: His consistent lack of long term planning and his flip flopping on his use and treatment of players. It will be exceedingly difficult to establish a core group of players, get them playing well together and then add in the bits you need on the fringes to build a squad that will consistenty qualify for the Champions League and then hopefully challenge for the league on consistent basis (ie. more than once), if your manager can't make up his mind on what he players he wants and where he wants to play them. If everything aligns up in one season (like last year) he can qualify for the CL and even challenge for the title but it won't be sustained (as demonstrated this year). I could pull up other reasons, but that should be reason enough.
"If you can't guarantee anyone better" is a non-argument. There are no guarantees in football and you know that. But you have to look at what you have and make a judgment call as to whether what you have is good enough to be kept, or whether it's time to try something different. If that wasn't the approach and we all needed guarantees, then Gerard Houllier would still be the manager. After all, there were no guarantees that Rafa Benitez (or Curbishley, or Mourinho or anyone else who was linked with the job at the time for that matter) would've been an improvement on him, right? And my judgment call is that Rodgers has demonstrated that he is incapable regularly qualifying for the Champions League, which is the minimum we need our manager to do to re-establish us a serious contender for major trophies in the near future. It is therefore, to my mind, worth the risk of getting Klopp, or Galtier, or Unai Emery, or Rodger Schmidt, or Slavan Bilic, or even going back to Rafa. Yes there is no guarantee that any of them would be an improvement on Rodgers, but it has been satisfactorally demonstrated as far as I'm concerned that Rodgers isn't able to deliver what we need. So why retain him? Why continue something you know won't work when you have the option of trying something different?
2) If it wasn't down to Suarez (and I agree you can't attribute a season like that to one player, even if he is one of the best in the world), then him leaving can't be an excuse. So what's it down to then? Is finishing 6th, in a very bad season in the PL, I might add, after finishing 2nd normal and acceptable progression for a team? Or is it because the manager built finishing 2nd on a tactical system that relied on the team expending most of their effort pressing and running around to an unsustainable degree for 15 minutes at the start and end of each game and being second best in between? Now to be fair to Rodgers, he did decide that the high tempo diamond wasn't really a workable long term formation and I think he was absolutely right to think that, but the problem is he had no idea what to do next.
Do you remember what we were like at the start of the season? Horribly disjointed. The players seemed to have no clear idea what tempo to play with, how to bring the ball out of the back, whether to go short or long etc. Gerrard's form was a point of discussion at the start of the season, so I started watching him closely. Now whilst he wasn't exactly stellar himself, I remember him rarely having short options for forward passes, so he had to go long (or go backwards), but we weren't playing at a tempo in terms of runs in behind, support runs and pressing that supported a direct style. That's a failure of coaching. We then made a 343 workable for two and a half months before that fell flat and we haven't had a clue what to do since. Rodgers completely and utterly undid any good he achieved last season in a matter of weeks, and I'm beginning to suspect that he doesn't fully understand what he did right last season. That means he can't be depended on to repeat it.
3) Ex-players aren't right simply by the virtue of being ex-players. And for all of the football knowledge they apparently have, a small percentage of top players make top coaches or managers. Just because you were a good player doesn't mean you actually know how an entire football team should be set up and instructed.
24 May 2015 22:18:47
Last game I remember us playing well in was the win against Man City on the 1st of March. Even when we beat the likes Newcastle and Burnley, we were fairly bad.
So considering we were dire up until mid-December, that's 2 and a half months of good footie this year. Says a lot about the PL this season that we still finished 6th and were still in with a chance of 4th until 2 games from the end.
24 May 2015 22:00:25
Y'know, if Rodgers is in charge next season, I bet we'll finish 3rd.
But the problem is we'll finish 6th or 7th the season after because he'll find a way to alienate a key player or two and ruin whatever good he achieved the previous year and so on so forth. So long term building will not happen.
Bye Brendan, thanks for trying, but this job's not for you.
24 May 2015 21:53:55
Those 40 that never troubled the first team would be my big black mark against Rafa.
As I said on the main site, I appreciate the Academy wasn't producing a whole lot, but only one of the "one for the future" that ever amounted to anything in a top league was Mikel San Jose. And he broke through at Bilbao, not at Liverpool. Not a lot of return there.
24 May 2015 20:27:01
If the Internet and my ability to use a calculator are to be believed:
Rafa:
Gross: £230m in 6 years
Nett: £68m in 6 years.
Rodgers:
Gross: £212m in 3 years.
Nett: £85m in 3 years.
These don't include agent fees, signing on fees or wages, all of which would presumably be higher for Rafa based on more players, longer time there, and more "free" transfers with associated big signing on fees. Equally they don't include loan fees incurred by Rodgers, but these would likely be small compared to the overall figures.
Still, considering he's been here for half as long, Rodgers has been no more frugal than Rafa, if anything possibly less so.
{Ed044's Note - also Somethng, it doesn't take into account the rise I transfer fees in general. What I would say is that Rafa signed 59 players, of whom I think 40+ never really troubled the first team. Nonetheless, BR has shown a rather odd skill for signing players we don't need and announcing that they are the next big thing...}